March 28, 2010 3:18 AM PDT
Thank's for the update, "
On Friday, the accident is still under investigation and that it will be some time before detectives determine what charges or citations may be filed."..........
I can't find anything that says the Truck Driver did this intentional or hated Bikers. I imagine he feels pretty bad and will never get over it.
I'm going with equipment failure on this one, county expense cut-backs, laid off drivers, mechanics, maintenance personal, increased loads and hours to save money.
If the driver was drunk or doing drugs that would have surfaced well before now, was nothing but a tragic accident unless we learn his wife was on back of one of the bikes while he was at work paying off her credit card debt.
Have I missed something here?
flatlander I can appreciate that you want to keep level headed about this. (although that wife comment isn't so) And some of what you're saying makes sense. But offering an 'out' of mechanical failure when it isn't even proven to be that is no better than accusing him of hating bikers when he might not have.
I say none of us jumps to conclusions but instead lets the actual evidence tell the story. The driver himself admits he was shuffling papers. He was traveling at a rate of speed too high for the traffic situation he was in. He was distracted. It was a tragic accident. But he was responsible and he needs to face the consequences of his actions. Whether or not, some or all of us deem them to be appropriate or fair. If any other evidence comes to light then we take that into account but for now it does appear to be a horrific accident that could have been prevented had he been looking at the road and not shuffling papers.
I have to admit I am not a very religious person (I have my reasons), but I know what I would have done at the scene, I would have rushed to the bikers because they needed that. Punishment for the driver will come. I guarantee he will be haunted by his careless act. Maybe out of all this sadness will come stiffer sentences, more proactive training, mechanical safety measures, and much needed awareness.... but it will never take away the loss that just happened.
All of us have been impacted by this news in some very emotional and spiritual ways.
March 28, 2010 3:23 AM PDT
Just read on another forum that a female rider was just taken off life support. They said she was leading the group. Very sad situation.
March 28, 2010 3:25 AM PDT
Thank's for the update, "
On Friday, the accident is still under investigation and that it will be some time before detectives determine what charges or citations may be filed."..........
I can't find anything that says the Truck Driver did this intentional or hated Bikers. I imagine he feels pretty bad and will never get over it.
I'm going with equipment failure on this one, county expense cut-backs, laid off drivers, mechanics, maintenance personal, increased loads and hours to save money.
If the driver was drunk or doing drugs that would have surfaced well before now, was nothing but a tragic accident unless we learn his wife was on back of one of the bikes while he was at work paying off her credit card debt.
Have I missed something here?
flatlander I can appreciate that you want to keep level headed about this. (although that wife comment isn't so) And some of what you're saying makes sense. But offering an 'out' of mechanical failure when it isn't even proven to be that is no better than accusing him of hating bikers when he might not have.
I say none of us jumps to conclusions but instead lets the actual evidence tell the story. The driver himself admits he was shuffling papers. He was traveling at a rate of speed too high for the traffic situation he was in. He was distracted. It was a tragic accident. But he was responsible and he needs to face the consequences of his actions. Whether or not, some or all of us deem them to be appropriate or fair. If any other evidence comes to light then we take that into account but for now it does appear to be a horrific accident that could have been prevented had he been looking at the road and not shuffling papers.
I have to admit I am not a very religious person (I have my reasons), but I know what I would have done at the scene, I would have rushed to the bikers because they needed that. Punishment for the driver will come. I guarantee he will be haunted by his careless act. Maybe out of all this sadness will come stiffer sentences, more proactive training, mechanical safety measures, and much needed awareness.... but it will never take away the loss that just happened.
All of us have been impacted by this news in some very emotional and spiritual ways.
March 28, 2010 3:28 AM PDT
I don't know if the biker's were drunk or just a had a beer and weren't drunk; what is a fact is the bikers were sitting at a red light waiting for the light to turn when an asshole not paying attention but rather shuffeling with paperwork and other shit ran over these guys and if he had been paying attention he could have prevented it by swerving or blowing his horn or some attempt to prevent it. I also don't know if the truck driver had other recent speeding tickets or not and if he did it don't matter if he got them on a bicycle, motorcycle, or trash truck; he still ran over these guys and that is a fact. So, **** the truck driver, fry his sorry ******* ass for all I care!
March 28, 2010 3:44 AM PDT
I don't know if the biker's were drunk or just a had a beer and weren't drunk; what is a fact is the bikers were sitting at a red light waiting for the light to turn when an asshole not paying attention but rather shuffeling with paperwork and other shit ran over these guys and if he had been paying attention
he could have prevented it by swerving or blowing his horn or some attempt to prevent it. I also don't know if the truck driver had other recent speeding tickets or not and if he did it don't matter if he got them on a bicycle, motorcycle, or trash truck; he still ran over these guys and that is a fact. So, **** the truck driver, fry his sorry ******* ass for all I care!
Exactly!!!!
March 28, 2010 3:48 AM PDT
Show me where it says he got those tickets driving the trash truck, maybe he has a motorcycle and got busted for speeding on his Harley.
Now here we have the waitress saying the Bikers had been drinking beer and partying at her place right before they left and got run over. Now we have a story with bikers driving intoxicated leaving a bar, then being in a tragic accident with a sober man just working for a living driving a county owned vehicle working by the hour.........
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In 2009, while driving a Blue Sky Sanitation truck, Jakscht was cited for not having a fire extinguisher, no pre-trip inspection and failure to inspect emergency equipment.
That case was dismissed by the Scottsdale City Attorney because their office felt there was not a reasonable likelihood of conviction.
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a citation for "no pre-trip inspection and failure to inspect emergency equipment." seems to prove to me that he is habitually negligent whether or not Scottsdale felt they could convict him. This seems to establish a negative pattern of behavior toward his carelessness.
As far as that story of the bikers being intoxicated - You should watch the report again. I watched the clip from the link you provided and the reporter clearly stated they were drinking "TEA". But suppose for a minute he hadn't said that. Were there blood tests performed on all of the surviving bikers? Prove to me that was true and I will have a different conversation with you. BUT, even if that were to be found true, did they do anything to contribute to the truck driver running them over? From the reports I see they were waiting at a red light. Tell me how the fact that he was a working man and they were bikers (some of whom MIGHT have had a drink) makes this accident any less tragic?
In this specific instance, how do the actions of the vicitms before the accident make them being run over any more justifiable?
March 28, 2010 4:00 AM PDT
Kind of makes your stomach turn when you hear about something like this and the riding season hasn't really even strated here .
March 28, 2010 4:36 AM PDT
Traffic deaths turn my stomach enough, I been there and held brain matter together among other things in my lap more than once waiting for rescue, placing unjust blame on folks without having all the facts turns my stomach as well when a R.I.P. is all thats required.
The truck driver immediately went through hours of interrogation from professional homicide investigators at the scene of the accident and wasn't charged with anything. For the benefit of those here that have never been through that you are not qualified to comment about it.
I guarantee that driver feels ten times more horrible about what happened than anyone of you do. I'm glad someone thinks a group of bikers were at a bikers bar and grill and didn't have any beers, give me a break, the reporter has distorted what few facts are known to create drama. Like he gives a shit..........
March 28, 2010 4:53 AM PDT
My prayers also. I lost 2 friends last yr, one on easter and another one 2mos after because of kids not paying attention AND in plain view both people got slap on wrist NO jail time!. It makes you sick and scared to think this could have been me or any one of my friends. Everyone ride safe and keep an eye out all around you when you are riding. drivers don't care!
We drive heavier machinery that simply cannot stop on a dime, a space cushion is always mandatory for safety. This guy should have been trained more and received refresher safety classes. All trucking and bus companies should be mandated to constantly review safety standards and the skills of their employees. Yes, I want to scream too. Still praying for these families.