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They Don't Feel Safe....

  • January 20, 2012 7:35 AM PST
    I know I've been gone for a great long time, hope everyone has been well. My work has sucked most all of my time along with other things in life as it often goes. SO, I decided to come back with a short venting session, most of you who remember me know I'm not good at keeping it short and sweet.........
    I am in a position that doesn’t lend to making friends at work. Because of what needed to be done, I fully expected this and this is what I do. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I have experience understanding what it takes to make a place profitable and a major part of that is having the right people to do the job and protecting their efforts by surrounding them with like minded people. SO, needless to say, I have a target on my back by those that feel I am asking too much or stepping on toes.
    However, I have to make a comment on recent events. I carry a gun. I have for almost twenty years. I have had to defend myself with a gun when violent criminals tried to take my life for greed. I have also had to threaten the use of the gun to protect others lives from criminal violence. I train law abiding citizens to use the utility of violence to protect themselves against criminal violence. No matter how much you believe violence is not an answer, I can tell you that when your life is in immediate danger, where it takes less than one second for someone to pull a trigger or two seconds for them to step to you and bury a knife in your chest, and the police are an average of 11 minutes away, violent self defense is almost always the only option you have to save your life or the life of another. The owner of the company I work for understands this, knows my background, and has authorized me to carry at work.
    I served my country with honor. While doing so I also was certified as an auxiliary police officer through the D.O.D. police. I have held secret clearance, been background checked on almost a yearly basis. I have had psych eval after psych eval. I’ve been through hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of training in threat assessment, conflict negotiation, violent behavior analysis, unarmed and armed self defense tactics, executive protection, fugitive apprehension, surveillance, etc. I have been entrusted to wear a badge in the name of the law, to break through criminals doors to bring them to justice, to put my life on the line to protect others. I have been vetted. When law enforcement and private security officers need training to learn how to operate in instances of mortal combat, they have come to organizations I have worked for and to myself for training on how to do it right; How to minimize danger to the public and themselves while engaging violent people to stop them from killing. Anyone who knows anything about me and the few friends I have know that I would put my life on the line to protect them in almost any situation excluding anything that would put my family in jeopardy. If they spent as much energy learning who I am as they do trying to derail my efforts they would not say they don’t feel safe because I carry a gun.
    The fact is, there have been people leave this place who have considerable criminal records. Some have had violent pasts they have done jail time for. Some have and were actively trafficking prescription drugs. There were and are thief’s in this organization. If any one of them decided that they were going to come in here and take life; while everyone else would be cowering under their desks or running for the nearest door, hiding and praying that God get them through the situation; I would be moving toward the threat after having pulled my gun, passing in the opposite direction of those who were not able to deal with the reality of life, and putting my life on the line to stop the evil. Stop the intention of that person who was willing to take lives because of their self imposed failures that they want to blame on someone else. I would be praying to God to keep my aim true, allow me to be able to strike first because if I’m killed everyone else could be killed before police arrive. I understand this. This is who I am.
    The sad thing about this is that these people will go through life looking at people like me as some outdated or paranoid person; an anomaly. But if, God forbid, they happen to find themselves faced with the reality that people kill people for personal gain all the time, they will sacrifice their lives because they couldn’t do a damn thing about it. I’ve lived it and am still alive because I prepared. I feel sorry for their children if someone decides to invade their home, or tries to rob them on the street, they will have almost surely doomed them to be at the mercy of their attacker. Look up the details of the Petit family murders a couple years ago. Two attackers against a family, no guns in the house, and no one was trained for self defense. The mother and two daughters were killed and set on fire while the father was beat senseless and tied up in the basement. That wouldn’t happen in my house. My wife and older children are proficient at shooting a gun. They can, and most likely would, be able to use it in self defense. Could everyone be saved?….maybe not, but I’m sure we have a much better chance than if we had only the option of hoping for the mercy of the person who had already shown they were not against violence toward others. I have no problem saying I am absolutely livid at any parent who doesn’t prepare their child to defend themselves and doesn’t prepare themselves to defend their child. I’m not talking about playground squabbles. I’m talking about when a human being decides you or your child needs to die for their personal gain.
    Get out of the damn social media long enough to get a grip on what the world really is. I guarantee that you cannot think up any possible thing of violence or twisted, sadistic perversion of human decency that hasn’t already been done to someone by another human with no regard for life or empathy for another. It happens every day. Just a few miles away, Toledo has been identified as one of the major cities in the U.S. for human trafficking. There is a major drug issue at play right now in Findlay. DEA is active in this city as I write this.
     I know it’s hard to connect the dots when you’re hanging out with friends, snuggled up on the couch in the cushy little bar enjoying the buzz from the joint you just had. Laughing and flirting, being witty and talking about whatever seems apropos. I used to smoke some weed back in the day. Yes it was fun. But, I also know where that comes from now and what it costs in human terms and it’s not worth it to me. I don’t fault you for it. I just made a decision that it wasn’t for me. This stuff doesn’t just come from someone’s friend in Logan county or Toledo or BG. It also comes from those who commit the atrocities you can find on sites such as (check out the decapitation videos from the Mexican cartels) or the archived videos on from the border towns in Mexico. When I see someone “burnin cause they got ‘em”, I don’t think about the buzz their going to experience. I think about the wasted lives I’ve seen that got that weed to the street. The tennis star in Columbus I put in jail in ’98 who wasted her life and promising career by becoming a “posh” dealer for her thug boyfriend, the mother who dealt from her efficiency apartment and when her house was raided her baby was found sitting in a crib with a puppy and dog excrement because she used the weed money to by crack and was in a crack coma when her door was kicked in. The men who tried to kill me in my driveway in ’95 (high on weed and booze) who stated in court they said “let’s rob this nigga” before they pulled in behind me and opened fire when I got out of my truck.
    You may not feel safe because I have a gun, but I can assure you, if someone decides to take a life when I’m around, I’m your only hope of survival for at least 11 minutes (the average police response time to a 911 call). Then the guys who have the same training and vetting I’ve been through will be here in uniform, wearing a badge, to cordon the area off and fill out reports after you have “pumped out” on the floor.
    Think about this, there are more than 250,000 concealed carry permit holders in the State of Ohio. That’s more than the Canadian Army. That’s an average of 2,840 per county. Knowing this, I know that when I walk into Walmart and I see the NRA stickers on the cars in the parking lot; there’s a pretty good chance there are several other law abiding citizens carrying their gun in there at the same time. Chances are, if someone tries to resort to lethal violence, I’m not going to be alone in my effort to stop them. I like that a great deal.
    I like it when I see elderly women in line to get their CCW license renewed or when they come into a gun shop to get the wood grip repaired on their “pretty little pistol”; when I have people in my classes that have never shot a gun before that end up being greatly surprised at how well they do after realizing it’s just a tool. If you know the correct way to do it, it can be more important than medical training because it can prevent the need for medical care for you if you are the intended victim. I got a warm fuzzy when I saw a gun protruding from under the shirt of a guy in his late twenties walking with his toddler in a Penn Station in Perrysburg. He’s not going to let his daughter be killed for a lack of shooting back. Bravo-Zulu to him would be my comment. You would probably set and worry what his intensions are and scoff at the fact that he has a gun on him while he is with his daughter. I like the fact that his daughter is going to grow up knowing it’s ok to carry a gun.
    One of the greatest stories I can tell is of a twelve year old boy in Dayton, Ohio whose family was vehemently anti-gun. He told them he wanted to learn to shoot and compete in pistol competitions. His family was open minded despite of their fear of guns and agreed to let him try it out with proper guidance. They enlisted the services of a great instructor who took the boy under his wing and trained him right. The boy is now competing in USPSA matches in the junior division with a 9mm. Seeing the great fun the boy was having and seeing the great responsibility and discipline training with a gun instilled in him, his family got involved. He taught his own father to shoot and it’s now a family sport they do together. Why is it ok to put a child through martial arts training, to learn to use violence against another for sport for the discipline and respect it instills in the child, but it is not ok to train them with firearms for the same reasons, plus the added benefit of them being able to defend themselves with the gun? I have news for you; those Karate techniques are worthless against an attacker who’s 10 feet away with a gun and most criminals are cowards and use the gun to prevent injury to themselves. It gives them power over you they otherwise would not be willing to try to gain without the gun.
    I DON’T FEEL SAFE….knowing that the majority of people around me are so uneducated and in denial to the reality of the capability of violent criminals that they refuse to arm themselves and don’t want me to be able to defend myself as well. I know that there is an almost certain chance, around these types of people, that I will be utterly alone in my effort to stop a violent attack, much like all the students at Virginia Tech who died because nobody could shoot back and stop the vermin. People like me have been through training, been through background checks to show we are lawful people. The criminals are able to bypass all laws because they don’t care about the law. If you think you can predict what laws they will chose to break and which they will uphold, you’re simply an idiot. They simply get a gun, put it under their clothes and use it when they see fit for personal gain. Their names are on no lists, they don’t show up as a firearm carrier on an officers’ screen when he pulls them over, the list goes on. A review of local police reports that have recently involved BATF, DEA and local SWAT officers will reveal just how many guns are in the hands of criminals here. A recent raid, in the last three months, involving all of the previously mentioned law enforcement, seized a considerable amount of marijuana along with numerous firearms and an RPG Launcher. You think that joint you just smoked didn’t get to you through the hands of a criminal who has violent potential?  Sure, you got it from your friend who drives a new Isuzu, has a dog, a set of Bebe’ designer glasses and a cardigan; but where did they get that ounce? And where did that person get it before him. They are here just as they are in any major city. The difference is I know it because I have experienced it and survived it because I was carrying a gun because it happens. Your outcome would probably vary greatly.
    Not even talking about drug related violence, did you know that more than 70% of all rapes were committed by someone the victim knew? How about the fact that one of every three women will be the victim of some sort of sexual violence? Or the fact that you could fill a 747 and crash it every month and it still wouldn’t equal the number of women killed by a husband or boyfriend every month in the U.S.? How about the fact that 70 children per day are killed at the hand of a parent or guardian? Think about that. Read that again and THINK about that. Have you prepared your daughter for this reality? I know it seems harsh to introduce a child to the fact that people may try to kill them at some point in their life. It goes against that whole warm and fuzzy, love filled childhood experience we all want to give our children. But what is your culpability in the situation that they come into such a circumstance and they have no means of surviving it because they were never told they had an option? They were never introduced to the concept of defending yourself or what people are capable of.
    People spend thousands of dollars to buy sports equipment, toys, video games, etc. so their children have an enjoyable childhood. They spend thousands on education so their children have the chance to have a comfortable life. They spend hundreds every month on insurance to provide health care in the event of an illness and spend hundreds per year for life insurance so their family can get along without them in the event they die prematurely. Yet they won’t spend a dime to enable them to defend themselves and actually prevent their death or serious bodily harm in the first place. INCREDIBLE! Are you kidding me? They are able to live like this because there are people like me and like our military and law enforcement who are willing to do violence on their behalf, to keep the wolf at bay, to be a deterrent. There is a reason that as more and more people, law abiding good honest citizens, are arming themselves the violent crime rate is at a 47 year low. If I put a sign in my yard that said “I carry a gun and have used it to defend myself” and then put one in your yard that said “we don’t believe in guns” or “we oppose the carrying of guns by citizens”, who do you think is the preferred target of a would be home invader?
    I, along with my friends and students, am a sheepdog, not a wolf.  You should be afraid, but not of me. I’ll close with a few appropriate quotes.
    “One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: “Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident.” This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

    Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin’s egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
    “Then there are the wolves,” the old war veteran said, “and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy.” Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

    “Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.” Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, “We intimidate those who intimidate others.”

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door. Look at what happened after September 11, 2001, when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, “Thank God I wasn’t on one of those planes.” The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, “Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference.” When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage. Only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.”    -
    from “On Combat” by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

    "Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself.
    The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?"  
    - William J. Bennett In a lecture to the United States Naval Academy,  November 24, 1997

    “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
    - Adolf Hitler
    “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
    - George Orwell
    “Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling which thinks that nothing is worth violence is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
    - modification of a quote by John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
    And finally….
    "When you men get home and face an anti-war (anti-violence) protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy."
    - Attributed to General Tommy Franks
    - Also attributed to Leutenant General James Mattis, USMC
    (anti-violence) added by me, DefCon, as it applies to the pacifist in general, because , as George Carlin stated; “Pacifism is a wonderful concept, but it’ll get you killed”……..
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    January 20, 2012 8:18 AM PST
    This old road dog has the honor of calling Defcon (James) friend, and even greater honor that he calls me friend. I met him a couple years ago and I was immediately IMPRESSED. An outwardly quiet and gentle man, friendly and giving. A great dad and husband. But not one you would EVER want to be on the wrong side of.

    I agree with you James! I salute you and must add my highest regard ATTA BOY!

    I hope that whatever situation that forced you to speak your mind will resolve to your satisfaction.

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    January 20, 2012 8:33 AM PST
    Defcon, I live just 30 miles south of you. I too carry a concealed weapon. I've done so for over 30 years though most of those haven't been legal years until Ohio permitted us to do so.

    When people see some of the reality shows on t.v. they look at it as entertainment. They don't really see the reality of the violence that permeates every aspect of our society. I don't believe people should walk around paranoid all the time but I do think they ought to at least size up their situations wherever they may be.

    I agree with you that the best defense is an immediate and viscious offense. And having a black belt in the martial arts, though good to know, certainly doesn't mean you have an advantage.

    It was a great post. Thanks. I hope people pay attention. I hope they actually 'get' it.

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    January 20, 2012 9:14 AM PST
    this is a great post... unfortunately, i think you are preaching to the choir here..because most of us on this site share your ideals and the desire for self was a very enjoyable read, full of good points and great information..glad you could get what ever you felt you needed to get out...that being said...i respect you for your diligence to training and the courage needed to put that training to use should the event ever arise..those that welcome danger as a means to prevent it are a breed all unto themselves..there will always be those that don't feel safe around you..and we both know those will be the first ones to run to you when trouble arises...not sure what you were trying to get out of this..but no one here would ever disrespect you for your dedication to human life..the true path of a warrior is travels my brother.
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    January 20, 2012 11:30 AM PST


    I know it sounds cliche' as hell, but I'm gonna say it anyways....

                                                             STICK TO YOUR GUNS!!!   

    Ride Free  



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    January 20, 2012 11:44 AM PST
    New York State has about the strictest laws, at least concerning, handguns, of any state. If you wants a handgun one must submit to an examination that would make a proctologist blush. - Nobody in NYS legally owns a handgun unless they are a person of exemplary character
    Live in a nice enough, out of the way, town BUT every damn week somebody manages to shoot up something w/ an illegal handgun to which the little lads & lassies in Albany respond by proposing ever stricter controls on legal ownership
  • January 20, 2012 2:28 PM PST
    Mike, thank you for your comment. @ Lola, I posted it to vent, to give a little motivational reaffirmation to those I know on here that feel as I do and appreciate me sharing things like this as I appreciate what they share with me. We have differing set of contributing specialties that we mutually support each other with. We're a group that have a bond from a common experience that became an uncommon occurrence two summers ago when we met up in KY. I've been out of the CF loop for a few months,so I understand your not understanding my reason for posting this. That's cool. But as your signature line states, "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." We could go years without having contact and then pick right back up as if it were only days and not miss a beat. But I know, to you, I'm a newb spouting'll have that......
  • January 20, 2012 2:42 PM PST
    @Jimmy, thanks for the comment. we'll have to meet up sometime soon. My wife and I both ride. We meet up with several folks on here that live here in Ohio.
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    January 20, 2012 3:14 PM PST
     Great post DEFCON!  But your right,  even tho I can't carry ( only because my 30-30 is to cumbersome and I don't have a hand gun( for now)) I salute you and all that do legally.  Because criminals have been put in to TV shows and made to be like they are all doing what is ok and just a made up set of outlandish ideas.  But you hit the nail on the head.  Once I get my hand gun I will also be doing some classes with it (even though I have had some training from the military) but extra will not hurt, and refreshing never hurts.  But I refuse to be a victim,  as the boyscout slogan says, "Be prepared" and I agree 100%!
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    January 20, 2012 4:23 PM PST
    Defcon old mate.Good to see ya back for a spell.As you and a chosen few around here know I have had similar training and si,ilar experiences to you over the years.Yes I am trained to protect life.Thing is its very different down my wsay.My government pulled all my firearm authorities over here say from a very unreliable source that had an advantage by having me disarmed..Thing is when guns became outlawed ony outlaws had guns.So now I live on the fringe of society as an outlaw who protects me and mine..You my old mate keep up the good fight and dont worry what the snivel libertarians think.10 will get you 100 that when the shit hits the faqn they want blokes like us around..Cheers mate..^5 BOOF
  • January 20, 2012 5:06 PM PST
    Great post defcon i wish more people took there personal protection serious. I have been a sheep dog for about 17 years (traffic cop) and seen so many tragedys that could have been stopped short by a willing armed citizen. Im my area of South Carolina it is very easy to obtain CWP. I have very anti gun family that lives in the North East that have asked me if im nervous pulling over cars and dealing with people and not knowing if they have a gun or not. I tell them no i treat everyone the same because i know for a fact that every traffic stop, domestic dispute ect has a gun on scene mine. The people i encounter with.CWP almost always tell me they have a gun and when i smile and tell them thanks im usually asked if i want to know where it is located in the vehicle i tell them no if they were gonna shoot me they wouldnt have told me they had a gun.
  • January 20, 2012 8:09 PM PST
    Defcon, I enjoyed reading your well written post, especially the Carlin quote on "Pacifism" at the end!
  • January 20, 2012 9:10 PM PST
    @BOOF, that's a tough situation down there on your side of the marble. I have passed on employment opportunities that would have moved me to a State that would have disarmed me. I don't know what the hell I would do if my entire country was a no gun region. One thing is for sure though, throughout history there have been men such as yourself who know the truth and keep what you will, where you need to, to preserve your ability to survive. I think time will resolve your issues with gun control legislation. Canada is starting to take a baby step with abolition of the long-gun registry, so I know it's possible. Keep the faith and keep the powder dry....
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    January 21, 2012 3:38 AM PST
    DEFCON wrote...
    Mike, thank you for your comment. @ Lola, I posted it to vent, to give a little motivational reaffirmation to those I know on here that feel as I do and appreciate me sharing things like this as I appreciate what they share with me. We have differing set of contributing specialties that we mutually support each other with. We're a group that have a bond from a common experience that became an uncommon occurrence two summers ago when we met up in KY. I've been out of the CF loop for a few months,so I understand your not understanding my reason for posting this. That's cool. But as your signature line states, "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." We could go years without having contact and then pick right back up as if it were only days and not miss a beat. But I know, to you, I'm a newb spouting'll have that......

    I assure you i meant no disrespect sir.....and in no way see you as a "newby",i know you were here doesn't matter how often you "check in" are still a member of the family.......i enjoyed reading it..........i judge no one for their opinions, ideas or way of life, i understand what you do is dangerous and carries little or no rewards other than the feeling of making the world a safer place...........the path you walk is yours and yours alone......please continue.....spout off til your hearts content..i understand now.

  • January 21, 2012 6:18 AM PST
    Thanks for that Lola...was just feeling you out there. I look fwd to interacting with you on the "fish"
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    January 21, 2012 6:50 AM PST
    Welcome back ; ) glad to see the post, excellent writing I enjoyed it.

    Its funny how it reminds me of the Martial Arts folks I have met, who with a gun would have an unfair advantage against any idiot trying to harm innocent sheep,seen a playing card turned into a deadly weapon & other mundane everyday articles..

    Not sure guns are the end all be all of self defense? And may lead one to a false sense of safety,just as cage';s do.I have always felt that the mind is the most lethal weapon..

    Never carried & hopefully never will,I'll leave that up to those who protect the publics safety,be it a civilian or police.
    I have no issue with others carrying open or not,people out here do it all the time,they dont need no "stinking papers" LOL

    Stay Safe n Enjoy the Ride !
  • January 21, 2012 7:00 AM PST
    I agree the gun is not the end all be all, the brain is the primary weapon. I have some articles on you may enjoy reading. What I call "Defensive Intelligence" is the foundation of my curriculums. The hand held weapon is the least important aspect of it all. More than half of all law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty were killed without having made any attempt at self defense, despite what was on their belt and what training they had. It's all neurological in foundation.
  • January 21, 2012 1:50 PM PST
    A armed citizen shot and killed a guy robbing the Waffle House he was eating at in Spartenburg South Carolina yesterday
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    January 23, 2012 4:10 PM PST
    Thanx for your "venting" and the words you used. You are a passionate man, take your job seriously and I would love to have ya at my "back"... Have carried a pistol for over 30 years, had to draw it a small number of times. ALWAYS to protect someone else, never to protect myself... Weird? Nope, I don't move/look/act like a sheep. Have disarmed several confrontations just by being who I am. I am humbled by your dedication and focus.
    "When guns are outlawed, I guess I'll just have to be an outlaw." Should be easy, done it before I got 'Respectable'....
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    January 23, 2012 4:33 PM PST
    A free moral agent is no pussy.

    "WAR is a racket. It always has been.
    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."

    Written by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient

    Major General Smedley D. Butler
    USMC, Retired
  • January 25, 2012 10:05 AM PST
    But he still stood up, put his life on the line and won the CMH twice......Compared to that, any man who would not be willing to serve their country but is perfectly willing to damn those that a PUSSY. I respect the veteran who protests, he/she earned that right. I respect the protester who has not served, they have that right as well. You can protest the war, but leave the individual who serves out of your dissent. Those that make it personal against the individual Soldier, Sailor or Marine and those who dodged the draft, are absolute moral pussies.....Not a statement of fact, just my humble opinion that is a fact in my minds eye.
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    January 25, 2012 3:23 PM PST
    DEFCON wrote...
    But he still stood up, put his life on the line and won the CMH twice......Compared to that, any man who would not be willing to serve their country but is perfectly willing to damn those that a PUSSY. I respect the veteran who protests, he/she earned that right. I respect the protester who has not served, they have that right as well. You can protest the war, but leave the individual who serves out of your dissent. Those that make it personal against the individual Soldier, Sailor or Marine and those who dodged the draft, are absolute moral pussies.....Not a statement of fact, just my humble opinion that is a fact in my minds eye.