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shedsruty59 wrote...
I believe It should be manditory to have all riders wear head gear "."

If I or any of us are in a vehicle and are involved in an accident with a motorcyclist and they expire from injuries sustained in the accident how will you deal with it.

I have been a fire fighter for 30 years in a small city, I do no EMS can't deal with it. I was involved in 2 rescues from fire seans that the person did not survive took months, to sleep again and years to forget it. I watched an 8 year old girl get hit by a suv. If you only knew what it was like to feel the pulse disapear while you are try to help, and then bury because she was a friends daughter every august 18 has never been the same for 10 years.

Please don't put me or any one else through theese emotions they suck, and don,t hide behind the motcho antique ideology that the freedom fealing is amplified. Its not been there done that got the tee shirt and scars to prove it.

My Opinion
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It's pretty rare that subjects get this heated on this site, and I think what happen is two different subjects became co-mingled. 1. Do helmets save lives , 2. Freedom of Choice
My final throughts on this subject.....Yes Probably by wearing a helmet your chances of surviving a crash would be greatly increased in your favor. Do I want a Government agency telling me I HAVE to wear a helment... NO!,

Night Dragon

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No Heat

just discussion:

Everything you do you are regulated.

           Drive a car: must have Insurance, emissions inspection, saftey inspection, seatbelts, and a licence!

          Walk into your house, house must meet saftey standarda Boca code, Electricial standards 
            code,plumbing code, and a residence permit.

I am far from a liberal socialist and believe goveronment needs to stay out of our lives. something need to be mandated because we will always take advantage of every situation thats human nature.

Love You All Stay Safe.

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No offense taken here. More rules does tend to fire me up....

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Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

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MiParamedic wrote...
Sorry Mike, I misunderstood what you said in the message.

Thepup states that he has read helmets olny help in accidents below 30-35 miles and hour. When figuring out the kinetics of trauma, when it comes to both blunt force and penitrating trauma the formula that is used is Mass x Velocity squared.

So a 5 pound head hitting the pavement at 20mph would be figured out as 5 x 20 squared. SO the mass involved in trauma isnt as important as velocity. So in therory your helmet would be more important at higher speeds, IF the head was our only point of concern.

Outside of motocross I have actually worked very few motorcycle accidents where I could point to a helmet and state " that saved your life " and the ones whre I could were YOUNGER riders. And they didnt involve another vehicle most of the time.

Now if people would push proper clothing as much as they push helmets...... There is where a huge difference could be made. Here in Michigan as long as your wearing a helmet they dont care if your in shorts and flip flops


Not sure you are talking to me but I will explain...
I resurected the previous forum of "similar" subject matter for anyone to read what was said before. There were over 100 entries in that forum of many different degrees of passion.  'Twas FYI only...



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I'm a firm believer in choice, I make mine, you make yours. When I started riding 20 some years ago I wore a helmet religiously, after I was almost turned into road salsa by a semi I didn't see or hear coming until the last second the helmet went on a shelf. I've been down twice since and been fortunate to keep my skull off the pavement. My wife was in an accident 3 1/2 years ago without a helmet, probably would have saved her jaw but everyone involved with saving her life agreed that a helmet would have killed her. That's the exception not the rule.
A brain bucket is on my head if I'm off the road, and I will defend anyone's right to wear one without getting razzed for it. My daughters wear their helmets when they ride with me, always.

Pro-choice because riding is about freedom, whether its what road to turn down or whats on your head.

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I, too, am a firm believer in choice. That being said, my choice is to wear my protective gear because I like all my skin where it is and I love what brains I have that survived my teenage years. And those teenage years taught me that it is just as brutal getting denim picked out of your arse as gravel!

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cnciaco wrote...
I, too, am a firm believer in choice. That being said, my choice is to wear my protective gear because I like all my skin where it is and I love what brains I have that survived my teenage years. And those teenage years taught me that it is just as brutal getting denim picked out of your arse as gravel!

                                                                                                                
I'm highly allergic to road rash.

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I am with you on that one! The ONLY allergy I have that I am willing to abide by!

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I've been riding over 30 years and have probably heard this argument most of them. I've worn a helmet as long as i've been riding state laws or not. Funny thing is I've always worn boots, gloves, jackets etc... No one had to tell me, just did. I have photographed bike accidents resulting in serious injury and in some cases even horrific death. I'm not here to judge, helmet on not, brothers and sisters just do the best you can and be careful!! It's a dangerous thing that we do and we love it. I've seen the safest ride turn ugly in a heartbeat.

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Michigan ( as Im sure a lot of other states have ) has tried passing bills a number of times to give riders more choice in the matter. I only have one issue with the helmet law going away.

I still HAVE to wear a seatbelt when I drive. Makes no sense but thats government for ya

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This debate has been going on for as long as i can remember. i have to say let the rider decide. i don't like the goverment or anyone else telling what i should or should not do. the goverment keeps takeing more and more of our freedoms away. when is it going to end. we had a helmet law in my state back in the early 70's and it sucked. we got it repeald. i choose not to wear one and that is my choice. if someone feels better wearing one, that is their choice and thats the way it should be...........just my 2 cents.

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rode with no helmet back in the late 60's. had 3 crashes ( 1 bike totalled ) started riding again after @ 35 years off. i figured i would not wear the helmet. well i do wear it along with leathers and road armour... in pa it is riders choice,
thanx to groups like A.B.A.T.E . it is our/my choice...

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I choose to wear a helmet. Required my boys to wear one when they were learning to ride. Had one of my boys put a bike down when we were 350 miles from home. Had his helmet on. He got up; we checked out the bike - got back on, rode 30 miles to a town, guy at the service station gave us band-aids. Drove home, he never rides without a helmet. However: It should be the rider's choice.

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I have 3 of my best friends go down, all were wearing helmets at the time of their accidents and all three didn't survive their accidents. Strangely two involved pick up trucks and the other a van with my daughters as passengers. We all, including my daughters, believe in the freedom of choice. I ride at times with and without a helmet depending on the ride or the distance or the way I feel that day. I have 37 yrs. experience, gone down a few times with and without, in my opinion, there are too many variables to determine if they would still be riding had they not been wearing helmets.
One of the 3 might have survived, his strap caught and twisted his neck....
.....it's your choice, ride free Brothers and Sisters!

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This topic is as varied as "What's the best tire?".................. As with that question, it's what ever feels good to YOU. And I agree with the general consensus of the postings................... It should be the riders choice, not some suit in government that probably doesn't even ride !!!!!

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The last time the state of Michigan took this up I really thought uit had a chance and I did like the way it was worded. I cant remember if the age was 23 or 25 but there was an age limit and had to have had cycle endorsement for 3 years with no at fault accidents or certain violations. While its not a total rider choice I think it was a pretty good start. Sadly it didnt pass

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I say let those who ride decide. If you have to explain they wont understand.

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